How Do I Know If My Remington 660 Trigger Has Been Repaired ?

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I wish I knew how much truth at that place is to the claims that the triggers were lacking. I take heard too much conflicting data to remain anything only puzzled. And for the record, I don't trust lx minutes either for the specific reporting on Remington or for their reporting in general.
EDIT: In that location was a thread on hour on this lath (I thought I read something most information technology on here).
https://world wide web.thehighroad.org/alphabetize.php?threads/60-minutes-story-nearly-remington-700-triggers.817095/

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I don't know the verbal numbers, but my father had an SPS with an X-Mark Pro go off in the forest when he disengaged the condom. Scared him more than he volition readily admit. When yous have a hardened sear floating on an unhardened shoe, and you lot don't seal the assembly against contagion, in that location is the potential for something to make it the works.
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I bet there plough around times for not trigger issues are going to exist looooog time in one case people beginning sending in the ones included in the trigger "think/settlement". I hear the plow around time is deadening every bit it is now....

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The CNBC report was 100% accurate. This has been a well known issue with Remington since the 1970's, the trouble existed in the 1940's, but information technology took a few years before the give-and-take got out. There were like reports on TV news twoscore years agone. It isn't so much that they are defective, but it is a flawed pattern. They work exactly as designed.
But the trouble is so rare, that most shooters will never see it happen. I'grand one who has. I own a 1974 produced bought new in 1975. I had heard of the problem shortly after buying mine, but ignored the issue until some indicate in the 1990's. I pulled my rifle out of the prophylactic i twenty-four hour period and when I touched the rubber so I could open the commodities I heard the firing pin fall on an empty bedroom. I was able to reproduce it 3-four times then it stopped. Never did it again until well-nigh v years agone. Same exact scenario. Picked up the burglarize out of the rubber and it dropped the firing pin on an empty bedroom. I haven't hunted with the gun much in years, but decided to buy a Timney for it before it gets passed down to kids or grandkids.

Every single one of these guns have the potential to practise this. It isn't a manufacturing defect that only effects some rifles. Just the internal trigger parts have to be positioned only right in lodge for it to happen. Some guns will exist used a lifetime and never do it. Or some, like mine will simply do information technology one time every 20 years. When something happens so rarely, and it is impossible to duplicate on demand I tin can see why there is doubt.
The 1946-2006 Walker designed triggers have the floating trigger connector that causes the problems. Mike Walker, the designer discovered the flaw in 1946 and designed a new trigger without information technology, but management didn't want to change the design.
The X-Marking is the post 2006 trigger that does not have the trigger connector. Simply.... some of those guns were found to take adhesive that somehow got into the trigger machinery during assembly and cause problems. Those guns were recalled in 2022.

Here is my communication. If I had an older gun I'd supplant the trigger myself. It is a 10 minute DIY project and y'all'll get a much meliorate trigger than the new ane anyway. And not have to look months to become it back from Remington.
I found this link.
https://theproductlawyers.com/remington-700-lawsuit/
I'm non enough of a gunsmith (OK I'chiliad not a gunsmith at all) to evaluate this but it's the simply place where I found a write-up of the issue that, if it's correct, fifty-fifty I could empathise. Sounds like stuff somehow gets between the Trigger Connector and the sear? Or the trigger connector beingness of softer metal merely wears downwards at the top? The commodity mentions Consumer Reports! Information technology sounds like Consumer Reports diagnosed the flaw that caused the rifle to fire afterward the safety was disengaged. I had no idea they ever tested guns!
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When the designer of the trigger thinks that information technology could be a trouble, Remington should have stock-still it. Unfortunately, they did not and now the broke visitor has to set up its mess. What muddies the water is that information technology is nonetheless a relatively rare event and misuse,abuse, violation of gun prophylactic rules, botched trigger jobs, etc. also have to exist considered as potential causes.
It is a standard check for a firearm to determine if information technology fires after pulling the trigger while on safe (with an empty chamber and magazine pointing in a rubber direction of class). If the rifle "fires", then you lot have work to do to make it safety. A lot of erstwhile milsurps were fabricated unsafe in the quest to get a single stage trigger in Mauser designs or monkeying with sear springs, appointment surfaces, etc. in the quest for the perfect trigger--e.g. the lightest possible. Most of these rifles were designed to be drop safe as issued if non monkeyed with or worn/abused. Often after Bubba got to them, they were an accident waiting to happen.

When I got into milsurps, that is the reason I acquired Kuhnhausen'southward Mauser shop manual and spend the money on books dealing with other rifles to educate myself what parts should await similar before actually shooting them. The internet helps as well as do the blowups after action postings.
When I was near 12 or xiii, my Dad bought me a .243 Remington 660 for deer hunting. Subsequently finishing a morning time hunt, we were back at camp for lunch. I went to unload, and equally I disengaged the safety in guild to lift the bolt, the rifle fired. My finger was nowhere near the trigger at the time. Fortunately, my Dad had taught me good muzzle discipline, and I had the muzzle pointed in the air. A year or two after, we learned about the problem and call back, but the incident had a real negative effect on me every bit a immature male child, and turned me off of hunting and firearms for a long time.
I would never send the rifle back to Remington. If the issue bothered me I would eat the cost and install a Timney. I am a big fan of Remington guns in general but I would rather non any of their booger hooks touch my triggers.
Starting in 1971, I personally have had/owned over (100) 700's pass through my hands, and I've NOT had it happen even one fourth dimension!
In all of those triggers, Non Ane of them had been adjusted or was oily/dirty!

Take I ever seen it happen, I mean, I WAS running a gun shop, so aye I have. In EVERY case, the trigger had been adjusted OR was dingy or both!

After leaving my shop, not one of them ever came back or did anyone ever tell me it happened once again.

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Got a service ticket from Remington yesterday.
A local shop is a Remington service and repair center.
Took my 30 year quondam model 700 to them today and they changed out my trigger while I waited (20 minutes maybe)
I can not tell any difference in pull weight or creep from my erstwhile trigger.
I'm very happy!
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I'd much rather take a voucher to pay part of an aftermarket trigger and install it myself than have to take the gun somewhere (no gunsmiths within 40 miles) or ship it off. Remington, why isn't that an option? I'll sign a release....
Otherwise they'll put in a trigger that volition have to exist replaced again in 40 years.
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It is insane to me how people have been talking about this upshot for so many years and they are just now fixing it. If it is bad enough that they should fix it today, then information technology was bad enough that they should take washed this 50 years agone.
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I think that one of the issues was if Remington admitted the trigger had a defective design past redoing it, lawsuits would exist able to use that fact to brand Remington pay for past sins. Thus, the corporate bean counters kept rolling the liability take a chance into the time to come. 2d, from all accounts, it is a relatively rare event which had to take additional factors to crusade injury or expiry. This meant that Remington accountants probably did a cost benefit analysis that indicated that it was cheaper to defend and settle cases as they came rather than redoing the trigger which might open them up to more suits.
The problem of liability for rare faults is why I don't remember that you will see self driving cars multiply without some sort of protection from liability for manufacturers. The more complicated the engineering, the more than spots where information technology tin can become wrong. Nuclear power plants have that limitation with a maximum payout set by the feds which btw which overrides state laws regarding torts as do foreign airlines where treaties set up maximum liability for carriers and override U.S. and state tort police force.
My 660 (and 600's) were recalled in 1979. Remington replaced the trigger and put a postage mark near the trigger guard to indicate the retrofit.
Nigh 30 years ago, I bought a used 700 in .243. Subsequently doing some testing with factory loads (and beingness disappointed in them), I started reloading my ain and got groovy results. A few years later, I was hunting groundhogs (woodchucks) on a neighbor's holding and laid the gun down on the passenger seat of my truck. I dumped the magazine out through the floorplate, picked the gun up with my left under the forend and palmed the bolt with my open up correct. BOOM !! I had a overnice new hole through the side of my truck only behind the driver'south door. When my ears quit ringing, I looked the gun over carefully for harm as the bolt had kicked me in the web between pollex and index finger and I wasn't certain what or how this had happened. I tried to repeat what happened several fourth dimension since - without success.
Will I modify this gun? I don't call back and so.
It works well for the trivial use I become out of it. I KNOW there MIGHT be a problem with the gun so I am more careful handling this gun than I am with whatsoever other.
I never could get one of the participants to share what the defense force had to say in this case. Also, on the net all sorts of stuff came out. I have had three unintentional discharges with a Remington. All these rifles had triggers adjusted by Bubba. I have never seen a bolt handle came off salvage with the aid of a 2x4. Nor have I had an extractor fail. For prophylactic sake I had the Walker trigger replaced in my SPS 7mm-08. The new trigger breaks clean and is slightly heavy for my tastes. I demand to see about the credit as my on 721 cannot exist adapted to the new trigger. One of those 700 exhibits in the law adjust looked like a dug relic from the Ceremonious State of war.
Addendum: How about checking how long Mr. Walker continued to work of Remington after the infamous safety letter.

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There's quite a few expressionless people voting "lacking".
How many is ",,,guite a few". There was all kinds of figures being used in this affair. One time the number given was quoted 90,000 complaints were made about that trigger alone. How many people came out of the woodwork to claim issues with the 700? How many of these people showed up after the safety issue became a hot topic on the net? Where were all these people prior to the suit?
To many of us who accept used 700's knew near potential danger. Many were well aware that "adjusting" the trigger put you lot at risk. The trigger was non perfect. How many of this unintentional discharged business concern had to do with Bubba and/or really lousy maintenance? How many of the gun gurus had anything to say about the trigger?

Addendum: How about checking how long Mr. Walker connected to work of Remington after the infamous safety letter.
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When the news nearly the triggers came out years ago, I replaced mine with a Timney. Wasn't going to trust Remington with a replacement. I want absolute confidence my firearm is safe and even a low probability of the gun firing when the safety isn't on safe and the trigger pull is not worth an injury or decease.
I have a Walker trigger 700.
There is no way I would send it to Remington.

I don't sleeping accommodation a circular until the rifle is shouldered, pointed downrange, and ready to burn down- with any of my rifles.
I was with a friend of mine at our range and he was shooting his Model 700 in .270. He loaded the magazine and when he closed the bolt on a cartridge in the sleeping room the rifle discharged. I was looking right at him when this happened and the rifle went off on it's own and not for anything that he did wrong. For Remington to deny that anything was incorrect with the Model 700 was just unethical of them. He did send the rifle back to Remington and they did replace the trigger.
I really think many, if non all, the accidental discharges have been acquired by Bubba. When the trigger had been "adjusted" past Bubba it was an blow going to happen. Endmost the bolt index and eye finger bear on the trigger. This was changed with bolt lock being removed from the rubber-thirty+years ago. My personal experience was with an XP100. Information technology was a used gun that was beingness exam fired. The gun went off. Pointed downwards range, it simply kicked up dirt. That ane went off when the bolt closed. Bubba even so over again. I call back Remington having alert most not breaking the seals on screws in the trigger. And then far every bit I'g concerned, every bit a long time Remington owner and shooter, this lawsuit is BS to the core.
The person who designed the trigger said that it was a defective design long, long ago. The solution when it was offset designed would have price pennies, but Remington wouldn't do information technology. I don't dubiousness that bubba adjusted triggers cause issues as well, merely I personally know someone who had information technology happen with a gun that was Neb and had only had well-nigh 10 rounds through information technology on its "maiden voyage". It has been very well documented how the design is flawed. If the trigger connector gets anything between itself and the actual trigger, it tin can force the sear date surface frontward to the point where it will no longer effectively block the sear from moving down. If the safety is on when this happens, releasing the safety releases the firing pin. If the safety is off, but the sear engagement is insufficient, any crash-land on the bolt can cause the gun to fire. It is extremely rare, but it is a real trouble and every 700 (and many other Remingtons) with the Walker trigger are at run a risk of an unintentional belch. If I owned one, which I don't, it would probably get a Timney trigger or something similar and call it skillful.
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